You don’t always know the impact you’re having at the time. You crack on with what’s in front of you, and it’s often only years later that you realise the influence people or organisations had on you. That’s exactly how it was with Counties and Phil Miles.

Have you tuned in to the new podcast Making Jesus Known Today and Tomorrow, presented by our CEO Martin Erwin? You can listen on Saturdays and Sundays at 15:10 on TWR Life.